Papa John
Lifetime Supportive Member
You are a saint for all you do.
however, You don't know how to take or walk away from constructive criticism. and I think you take it personally if an advertiser leaves you.
Need convincing that OP/ VLM works?
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however, You don't know how to take or walk away from constructive criticism. and I think you take it personally if an advertiser leaves you.
Mikey P
Administrator
No offense John, but you couldn't be more off in both assesements
If I couldnt take constructive critisim, would I be posting here no stop asking for opinions?
Are all crsitisms or edit suggestions correct and applicable?, your's for example? no.
Which advertiser leaving are we talking about?
Mytee?
If I couldnt take constructive critisim, would I be posting here no stop asking for opinions?
Are all crsitisms or edit suggestions correct and applicable?, your's for example? no.
Which advertiser leaving are we talking about?
Mytee?
Kenny Hayes
Member
Settle down Saint Mikey
icleancarpetz
Member
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Pads
Juice.
Pads
Juice.
Mikey P
Administrator
Call me tomorrow
Papa John
Lifetime Supportive Member
Im flying back to USA and wont be home til about 7-8pm Thursday. is that ok?
Mikey P
Administrator
Friday AM would be better
Papa John
Lifetime Supportive Member
Ill be over the Pacific ocean then.
Cleanworks
Moderator
Kenny Hayes
Member
Yes, and a micro for some scrubbing when necessary.
Ever-Fresh
Member
I use HWE on residential, and Pad-Cap for Berber and glue-down commercial carpet. I have used HWE on a greasy restaurant, and on that same grease-pit I used a pad. The HWE did well, but was uneven, and had a few wick-backs I had to come back and fix with the pad. My biggest complaint about Pad-Capping with a crystalizing cleaner is... it works too good! When I come back in 6 months for a scheduled cleaning, they look at me as if I were nuts! The only thing needing cleaning is usually drink spills (office jobs).
Ever-Fresh
Member
Ever-Fresh
Member
Old CCS Brute, using CCS blaze encap. Tackling the pathways that were worse than the rest. Used 18 pads for approx. 1500 sq. ft. Pads were very black!
hogjowl
Idiot™
@Ever-Fresh
Is that an Orbitec (Clark Lancaster) machine?
Is that an Orbitec (Clark Lancaster) machine?
Ever-Fresh
Member
hogjowl
Idiot™
Yeah, I hear the “TAMPING ACTION” makes all the difference. 
Ever-Fresh
Member
Yet, you cannot deny it works! The tamping action probably came about by accident of not having a perfectly level pad driver when they first started converting a standard buffer to an "orbital sander" motion. I believe that it does help lift (by tamping) better than mere towel spinning with a buffer.Yeah, I hear the “TAMPING ACTION” makes all the difference.
No single system works best in all situations, I just like that I have options to choose which one is best.
I have rattled small items (a line of bullets lined up in a cabinet) off a shelf by the vibrations! I occasionally use the pad machine to pre-agitate my HWE prespray in residential and have to be cautious that small items may vibrate and move.
The method does not play much on time and temperature, but the chemistry is more immediate and relies on agitation to lift and strip soil from the fibers, and if using a pad, absorbing about 80% of the soil. Chemistry with agitation alone with a CRB works surprisingly well. I have a couple of Whittakers, but if spills are involved, I prefer using an absorbent pad.
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hogjowl
Idiot™
The earlier machines would bounce pictures off walls. I’ve always figured the still do, but they’ve developed a term to change yalls perception of it.
THANK YOU!!!!! Like you I use variety of method. Had been messing with VLM , even got some Argsheen, and some of the crappy bonnet they were pushing in the day, to use under my 175.
Not until I got a used CCS machine locally and some of the original glad pads did I have success.
Oh, and I needed to get some of Rick G juice shipped, as my local distributor had not awakened yet to what Jan /San people had known for years. !!!
Also ,, so sick of all the claims.. sooooo many sq. ft. sooooooo fast. !!! I call Bull. And,, I have always found that I use exponentially more pads/bonnets than others post about. !!
I was thinking the same thing
Mikey P
Administrator
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Cleanworks
Moderator
Easily 2000 sqft per hour. I bring all my chemistry premixed for every job. Bunch of 2.5 gallon jugs, stack of pads and away I go. I expect residential is slower.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Trouble is, you keep coming back!
Ever-Fresh
Member
Newer machines orbit is a bit wider in its orbital path. Many are moving even faster that the old ones. I think with the increased speed and orbit, they may not have as strong of a tamping tilt to the pad driver, or that the increase somehow lessens the pounding effect. Yet, my experience is that they still vibrate the floors and walls enough that things can still fall. I have knocked down more pictures with getting into awkward spaces with a HWE wand than I have with OP. (Though I would say that I am 70% HWE).
Ever-Fresh
Member
I used to pre-mix and carry, but that was when I first started with an OP system and a Portable HWE. Since I carry 100 gallons of water, I find it more convenient to just tap my water supply. It only takes five minutes or less to refill and gives me a short break.
Ever-Fresh
Member
Currently, I am in the Trinity era of machines, with one original Conqueror (Clark machine).
Ever-Fresh
Member
Wow! Argosheen! Now that is old! I still have a half a gallon of "Butyl Juice," the old recipe of Vacaway's Hot Knife. I did use up the last of my Abstraction about five years ago on my own Berber carpet. Antique juice for antique carpet!
I am a bit old school on pads, I have both striped Microfibers and Cotton pads. In most cases I use cotton. The aggressiveness of newer machines tend to make Microfiber pads only single use or four times at best. By big unit is one of the Erasers, and if I go over 70% it will eat Microfibers like crazy! It will even thin through a new cotton pad if I run them too long. I get a great swath with the machine but change pads much more frequently than I do on my small Liberty. The microfiber seems to sheer imbedded soil faster and more effectively, but I think that I get better absorption from cotton, especially on spills.
