Need convincing that OP/ VLM works?

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No offense John, but you couldn't be more off in both assesements


If I couldnt take constructive critisim, would I be posting here no stop asking for opinions?

Are all crsitisms or edit suggestions correct and applicable?, your's for example? no.


Which advertiser leaving are we talking about?

Mytee?
 

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@Mikey P I need to start advertising this service. How much should i charge?
What about upholstery and stairs? how is that handled?
best juice recommendations?
 

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@Mikey P I need to start advertising this service. How much should i charge?
What about upholstery and stairs? how is that handled?
best juice recommendations?
For multi story homes, you need a lighter machine like the Odyssey. A good battery sprayer. Saiger's Code Red of Encaps is a good place to start. A Phoenix for commercial. Orbital car polishers for upholstery. Oxy-encap is great on upholstery.
 
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I use HWE on residential, and Pad-Cap for Berber and glue-down commercial carpet. I have used HWE on a greasy restaurant, and on that same grease-pit I used a pad. The HWE did well, but was uneven, and had a few wick-backs I had to come back and fix with the pad. My biggest complaint about Pad-Capping with a crystalizing cleaner is... it works too good! When I come back in 6 months for a scheduled cleaning, they look at me as if I were nuts! The only thing needing cleaning is usually drink spills (office jobs).
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Yeah, I hear the “TAMPING ACTION” makes all the difference. 🙄
Yet, you cannot deny it works! The tamping action probably came about by accident of not having a perfectly level pad driver when they first started converting a standard buffer to an "orbital sander" motion. I believe that it does help lift (by tamping) better than mere towel spinning with a buffer.

No single system works best in all situations, I just like that I have options to choose which one is best.
I have rattled small items (a line of bullets lined up in a cabinet) off a shelf by the vibrations! I occasionally use the pad machine to pre-agitate my HWE prespray in residential and have to be cautious that small items may vibrate and move.

The method does not play much on time and temperature, but the chemistry is more immediate and relies on agitation to lift and strip soil from the fibers, and if using a pad, absorbing about 80% of the soil. Chemistry with agitation alone with a CRB works surprisingly well. I have a couple of Whittakers, but if spills are involved, I prefer using an absorbent pad.
 
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The earlier machines would bounce pictures off walls. I’ve always figured the still do, but they’ve developed a term to change yalls perception of it.
 

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Old CCS Brute, using CCS blaze encap. Tackling the pathways that were worse than the rest. Used 18 pads for approx. 1500 sq. ft. Pads were very black!
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THANK YOU!!!!! Like you I use variety of method. Had been messing with VLM , even got some Argsheen, and some of the crappy bonnet they were pushing in the day, to use under my 175.
Not until I got a used CCS machine locally and some of the original glad pads did I have success.
Oh, and I needed to get some of Rick G juice shipped, as my local distributor had not awakened yet to what Jan /San people had known for years. !!!



Also ,, so sick of all the claims.. sooooo many sq. ft. sooooooo fast. !!! I call Bull. And,, I have always found that I use exponentially more pads/bonnets than others post about. !!
 
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Also ,, so sick of all the claims.. sooooo many sq. ft. sooooooo fast. !!! I call Bull. And,, I have always found that I use exponentially more pads/bonnets than others post about. !!
I was thinking the same thing
 

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THANK YOU!!!!! Like you I use variety of method. Had been messing with VLM , even got some Argsheen, and some of the crappy bonnet they were pushing in the day, to use under my 175.
Not until I got a used CCS machine locally and some of the original glad pads did I have success.
Oh, and I needed to get some of Rick G juice shipped, as my local distributor had not awakened yet to what Jan /San people had known for years. !!!



Also ,, so sick of all the claims.. sooooo many sq. ft. sooooooo fast. !!! I call Bull. And,, I have always found that I use exponentially more pads/bonnets than others post about. !!
No mention of using blue microfiber pads..

Have you?
 

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THANK YOU!!!!! Like you I use variety of method. Had been messing with VLM , even got some Argsheen, and some of the crappy bonnet they were pushing in the day, to use under my 175.
Not until I got a used CCS machine locally and some of the original glad pads did I have success.
Oh, and I needed to get some of Rick G juice shipped, as my local distributor had not awakened yet to what Jan /San people had known for years. !!!



Also ,, so sick of all the claims.. sooooo many sq. ft. sooooooo fast. !!! I call Bull. And,, I have always found that I use exponentially more pads/bonnets than others post about. !!
Easily 2000 sqft per hour. I bring all my chemistry premixed for every job. Bunch of 2.5 gallon jugs, stack of pads and away I go. I expect residential is slower.
 

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The earlier machines would bounce pictures off walls. I’ve always figured the still do, but they’ve developed a term to change yalls perception of it.
Newer machines orbit is a bit wider in its orbital path. Many are moving even faster that the old ones. I think with the increased speed and orbit, they may not have as strong of a tamping tilt to the pad driver, or that the increase somehow lessens the pounding effect. Yet, my experience is that they still vibrate the floors and walls enough that things can still fall. I have knocked down more pictures with getting into awkward spaces with a HWE wand than I have with OP. (Though I would say that I am 70% HWE).
 

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Newer machines orbit is a bit wider in its orbital path. Many are moving even faster that the old ones. I think with the increased speed and orbit, they may not have as strong of a tamping tilt to the pad driver, or that the increase somehow lessens the pounding effect. Yet, my experience is that they still vibrate the floors and walls enough that things can still fall. I have knocked down more pictures with getting into awkward spaces with a HWE wand than I have with OP. (Though I would say that I am 70% HWE).

I've never experienced any damage to surroundings due to the tamping action of modern a TOPS unit

The old units were jackhammers....
 
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Easily 2000 sqft per hour. I bring all my chemistry premixed for every job. Bunch of 2.5 gallon jugs, stack of pads and away I go. I expect residential is slower.
I used to pre-mix and carry, but that was when I first started with an OP system and a Portable HWE. Since I carry 100 gallons of water, I find it more convenient to just tap my water supply. It only takes five minutes or less to refill and gives me a short break.
 
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No mention of using blue microfiber pads..

Have you?
Wow! Argosheen! Now that is old! I still have a half a gallon of "Butyl Juice," the old recipe of Vacaway's Hot Knife. I did use up the last of my Abstraction about five years ago on my own Berber carpet. Antique juice for antique carpet! :rockon:

I am a bit old school on pads, I have both striped Microfibers and Cotton pads. In most cases I use cotton. The aggressiveness of newer machines tend to make Microfiber pads only single use or four times at best. By big unit is one of the Erasers, and if I go over 70% it will eat Microfibers like crazy! It will even thin through a new cotton pad if I run them too long. I get a great swath with the machine but change pads much more frequently than I do on my small Liberty. The microfiber seems to sheer imbedded soil faster and more effectively, but I think that I get better absorption from cotton, especially on spills.
 

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