What's the number one rule when fixing brownouts?

[Cleanworks]

You don't usually see browning until it's dry.

 

[encapman]

number one rule when fixing brownout​

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[LCCFL]

This is one I had to flush out. The browning got worse even after treating it with H2O2.

I came back to treat with OSR and claw it. I have no clue what it was. No pets or odor; I assumed it was from a cleaning prior. It felt gewy like gum.

 

[Hack Attack]

You don't usually see browning until it's dry.

I'll often put a browning treatment on the high tide areas of wdr jobs straight after extraction

 

[Hack Attack]

Very rarely, maybe never does browning happen on synthetic fabric. The so called “browning” effect is leftover cleaning solution dried

The real browning is rotting the fibers on natural fabrics and wool. Totally different process is needed to treat it

jute backed nylon is still common here, I "think" USA lost access to cheap natural backing over Afghanistan or someplace similar

 

[Hack Attack]

jute backed nylon is still common here, I "think" USA lost access to cheap natural backing over Afghanistan or someplace similar

dont eyeroll me, an IICRC instructor said so lol

 

[FB19087]

dont eyeroll me, an IICRC instructor said so lol

I suppose it could be true but...

I think it has more to us adopting/producing synthetic fibers. Also it doesn't appear Afghanistan was a significant exporter of jute in recent history.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

It's a more expensive, less durable backing than the synthetics that largely replaced it.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

IICRC instructors know who make the best doughnuts.

 

[Hack Attack]

It's a more expensive, less durable backing than the synthetics that largely replaced it.

wrong, put a power stretcher on synthetic backing and watch it pull apart. Then try that with a natural backing

glue doesn't absorb into synthetic but rather coats, so synthetic backings delaminate way easier as well

 

[Lee Stockwell]

wrong, put a power stretcher on synthetic backing and watch it pull apart. Then try that with a natural backing

glue doesn't absorb into synthetic but rather coats, so synthetic backings delaminate way easier as well

I agree that jute was an installer's dream, very forgiving. However its affinity for water and Americans' new love of indoor pets rendered it a very troublesome weak link in the industrial scale of carpet production in the US.

 

[Cleanworks]

wrong, put a power stretcher on synthetic backing and watch it pull apart. Then try that with a natural backing

glue doesn't absorb into synthetic but rather coats, so synthetic backings delaminate way easier as well

Wait until you try and stretch water damaged jute and watch it come apart before your eyes.

 

[Hack Attack]

Wait until you try and stretch water damaged jute and watch it come apart before your eyes.

dont lift synthetic or natural backed carpets when wet

get carpet "dry" then float for complete dry down.

Unless wooden floor then thats normally more important than the carpet & underlay

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

Been over 20 yrs that I had brown out and that was either the home owners fault or prior cleaning. Now on my first time job new cust. I only use Carpet Details to adjust anything in the carpets. Never a problem. Just had a very large blood job. I just flooded the carpets with the CD and extracted was gone. No second return. It's not the same as prycon looks like it but better results. Happy no brown outs. jz

 

[Hack Attack]

Been over 20 yrs that I had brown out and that was either the home owners fault or prior cleaning. Now on my first time job new cust. I only use Carpet Details to adjust anything in the carpets. Never a problem. Just had a very large blood job. I just flooded the carpets with the CD and extracted was gone. No second return. It's not the same as prycon looks like it but better results. Happy no brown outs. jz

is that low or no foam? Asking for a friend with a porty who embarassed themselves..

 

[Hack Attack]

it doesn't appear Afghanistan was a significant exporter of jute in recent history.

well thats cos you stuffed it up

instructor said "middle east, afghanistan etc"
dunno if true or not? Present a useless piece of trivia to me in passing and I'll remember 20 yrs later.. present something important and ADHD has me remembering trivia from 20 yrs ago

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Bangladesh independence war, very early 70's disrupted supply, but the industry was already experimenting.

 

[FB19087]

well thats cos you stuffed it up

maybe I should have quantified recent


almost all jute back carpet I've pulled has been 40+ years old

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

is that low or no foam? Asking for a friend with a porty who embarassed themselves..

It's a powder no color . Can be used with extraction. I used it on wool area cpts with my vibe. Also great on furniture I spray it on and then extract it. Nothing works ALL the time but I'm using it more & more. Also no smell or odor

 

[FB19087]

dont lift synthetic or natural backed carpets when wet

get carpet "dry" then float for complete dry down.

Unless wooden floor then thats normally more important than the carpet & underlay

in my experience jute backing was almost always a remove and replace on a wdr job...........not sure if it was ultimately age (like I said it was almost all old), the weakening, or the mold concerns


ymmv

 

[Hack Attack]

in my experience jute backing was almost always a remove and replace on a wdr job...........not sure if it was ultimately age (like I said it was almost all old), the weakening, or the mold concerns


ymmv

if you lift jute when wet your almost guaranteed shrinkage

lift synthetic when wet and the airmovers can delaminate it with flapping as it drys

 

[Mikey P]

So the answer to your question on number one rule:
-Get off your lazy ass, leave the vibrating buffer orbot whatever, and browning treatment sprayer in your truck and pull out your hoses and do another cleaning to rinse out the remaining crap you left behind and leave a fan behind.

Ok

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Jute backing is coming back, and "real" browning (not wicked soil) is going to become a part of cleaners' lives again.

 

[Cleanworks]

Jute backing is coming back, and "real" browning (not wicked soil) is going to become a part of cleaners' lives again.

great.

 

[AdamDumphy]

Just use some bleach to fix it

 

[BIG WOOD]

Jute backing is coming back, and "real" browning (not wicked soil) is going to become a part of cleaners' lives again.

Where did you see that info?

 

[Nomad74]

Acid rinse or encap has fixed the browning every time.

 

[Mikey P]

Not to mention 19" to the door and a smart car sized blower

 

[Nomad74]

Not to mention 19" to the door and a smart car sized blower

Yeah that too. My issues arose when I didn’t turn on my chem injection, sprayed protectant with non acid water, or have done urine work and because of the saturation of the pad some browning occurred. Encap juice really has been a life saver for these occasions.