This thread should end with this comment right here. Nothing better could be said than what Tom has pointed out.
Bonzer Rip-off
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Ed Valentine
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My personal advice, and experience to Erik would be this: You will never stop Copy Cats from riding your coat tails when they see an opportunity to steal your ideas and innovations, period. I know this because we also had, as a perfect example, a Patent on our POWER BOOSTER System which we introduced to our industry back in 1977.
(Fast Forward) This idea was copied by a "mighty bad company" out there who promoted it (among other of our ideas) who as I recall, had to redesign it several times because it wasn't up to spec's. Then came Cintas who purchased approx 6 of their units.
More than half of them failed within several weeks. Then we got a call for HELP! Since then we have sold many, many of the "original" POWER BOOSTERS and they have loved them ever since.
Bottom line, what I want to convey is this: FOCUS on what you have developed and continue to refine it because the Copy-Cats will not be able to keep up. They are only selling widgets and not taking any pride (as the original developer does) in this particular item.
Don't worry about any copy-cats, Erik.
(Fast Forward) This idea was copied by a "mighty bad company" out there who promoted it (among other of our ideas) who as I recall, had to redesign it several times because it wasn't up to spec's. Then came Cintas who purchased approx 6 of their units.
More than half of them failed within several weeks. Then we got a call for HELP! Since then we have sold many, many of the "original" POWER BOOSTERS and they have loved them ever since.
Bottom line, what I want to convey is this: FOCUS on what you have developed and continue to refine it because the Copy-Cats will not be able to keep up. They are only selling widgets and not taking any pride (as the original developer does) in this particular item.
Don't worry about any copy-cats, Erik.
Mikey P
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great post Ed!
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John Olson, your post does try to paint a picture of Erik that I do not agree with. Like being a picked on nerd in the corner that can't defend himself.
I've watched this unfold and I have to say I'm very impressed at how Erik has stayed professional and really never fed the fire (except when Mikey snapped a photo of him with a sideways look when trying the bonzer in Atlanta). He finally posts something for legal purpose and you seem to jump his shit.
Everyone stands up for Erik for one reason above all else. He is one of us.
I've watched Erik at the trade shows years ago (before Cintas) pimping his product trying to get his name out at the Aerotech booth. I can't say I would have not made a deal with Cintas either? Was Aerotech wrong too? Thats big money and big business.
Your idea sounds good that he should be using distributors to move his product. Just because it sounds good doesn't mean the dollars add up. Just like Aerotech can't use a distributor on a truck that already costs $100,000.00. I think this is a niche enough business that Erik can distribute his own product and uphold his patent if it can be upheld.
As for your claim of this board staying true to the truth. I would say I've been waiting for Mikey to say the opposite of what you want him to say. The free speach Mikey days are over but his heart is still true he just has to stay politically correct when he is in dealings with all the above on so many levels (besides just this board). So I get that too. And even a little Mikey calling things how they are is still better then any of us can do. He still sees it how it is.
I've watched this unfold and I have to say I'm very impressed at how Erik has stayed professional and really never fed the fire (except when Mikey snapped a photo of him with a sideways look when trying the bonzer in Atlanta). He finally posts something for legal purpose and you seem to jump his shit.
Everyone stands up for Erik for one reason above all else. He is one of us.
I've watched Erik at the trade shows years ago (before Cintas) pimping his product trying to get his name out at the Aerotech booth. I can't say I would have not made a deal with Cintas either? Was Aerotech wrong too? Thats big money and big business.
Your idea sounds good that he should be using distributors to move his product. Just because it sounds good doesn't mean the dollars add up. Just like Aerotech can't use a distributor on a truck that already costs $100,000.00. I think this is a niche enough business that Erik can distribute his own product and uphold his patent if it can be upheld.
As for your claim of this board staying true to the truth. I would say I've been waiting for Mikey to say the opposite of what you want him to say. The free speach Mikey days are over but his heart is still true he just has to stay politically correct when he is in dealings with all the above on so many levels (besides just this board). So I get that too. And even a little Mikey calling things how they are is still better then any of us can do. He still sees it how it is.
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FredC
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ummmm.....what?
FredC
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What does that have to do with anything I stated in this thread?
but the very simple answer is because they like Erik. That can really be the ONLY reason since most own knockoffs of other products.
but:
There is no legal reason for this thread. If I thought there was I would remove it.
Either Erik's patent can be defended or it can't everything else here is just bulletin board gibberish.
If it can't be defended RV will go on to sell to there primary market which is the 99% of cleaners who have never been on a cc forum or fb group.
but the very simple answer is because they like Erik. That can really be the ONLY reason since most own knockoffs of other products.
but:
There is no legal reason for this thread. If I thought there was I would remove it.
Either Erik's patent can be defended or it can't everything else here is just bulletin board gibberish.
If it can't be defended RV will go on to sell to there primary market which is the 99% of cleaners who have never been on a cc forum or fb group.
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That would be a post for legal purpose Fred. Unless his attorney just likes to post fun stupid stuff with a bunch of carpet cleaners.
FredC
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No...that is Mikey saying that an attorney wrote it............at least part of it anyway..............but since you are so well informed perhaps you could explain to the crowd here what legal purpose it serves.
It isn't service of any sort. It doesn't actually establish anything. So what then?
At most it is the publication of something that was actually filed/served............but again....publishing it here serves no legal purpose.
It isn't service of any sort. It doesn't actually establish anything. So what then?
At most it is the publication of something that was actually filed/served............but again....publishing it here serves no legal purpose.
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So Mikey lied?
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
THE ZIPPER AND THE SIPPER SUPER SPINNER ARE THE BEST!!
THAT IS LEGAL!!
BOOM SHAKALAKA BABY!!!
Fred you need to watch frozen and LET IT GO, LET IT GO!
THAT IS LEGAL!!
BOOM SHAKALAKA BABY!!!
Fred you need to watch frozen and LET IT GO, LET IT GO!
Mikey P
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When Erik posted that same thread on every forum and page on earth I just assumed the war had begone.
Am I mistaken?
FredC
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"Your Honor,
We have proof right here that our opinion was clearly stated on Mikeysboard.com. Case closed !"
and Lockhart ...I didnt post this thread........Erik did
We have proof right here that our opinion was clearly stated on Mikeysboard.com. Case closed !"
and Lockhart ...I didnt post this thread........Erik did
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
Fred stop it, if you are going to add controversy for the sake of adding controversy at least keep playing along, we are still on the playground you know.
And all of this attention or spotlight on the better product(zipper) and the trinket(bonzo) will be online for all perspective customers to see for the rest of time, so i feel appreciative that you have done zipper wand a great service AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS!!
LIKE THE TIGER ALWAYS SAYS IN THE COMMERCIAL '"YOUR GREAT!!"
And all of this attention or spotlight on the better product(zipper) and the trinket(bonzo) will be online for all perspective customers to see for the rest of time, so i feel appreciative that you have done zipper wand a great service AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS!!
LIKE THE TIGER ALWAYS SAYS IN THE COMMERCIAL '"YOUR GREAT!!"
Mikey P
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actually it's YOU'RE GREAT
YOUR Zipper is GREAT..
YOUR Zipper is GREAT..
Bob Pruitt
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It's- They're great!
Lint Basket
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Of coarse that has legal purpose. If it is in fact written by Eriks lawyer.
It's called posture/positioning/perception
You mess with the bull you get the horns.
Lawyers are clever creatures. They understand how to get there message across and not get it deleted by the all mighty Fred.
It's called posture/positioning/perception
You mess with the bull you get the horns.
Lawyers are clever creatures. They understand how to get there message across and not get it deleted by the all mighty Fred.
Mikey P
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Ed Valentine
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This thread should be closed and I'm going to report it to the highest authority!
Talking about Eriks........................................"Zipper"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't think this was a Porno site!!!!
Name Held by Request
Talking about Eriks........................................"Zipper"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't think this was a Porno site!!!!
Name Held by Request
Zee
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Of coUrse...
Erik's
..get thEIr message accross...
Good thing we're carpet suckers and not grammar nazis.
*cries in English*
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Lint Basket
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Apparently you like to be a grammar Nazi cuz you just did. Duh
Zee
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Lint Basket
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I don't find humor in grammar nazi comedians even if "they're great" and sugary.
Zee
Supportive Member
I apologize.. I didn't mean to cause a bad day.. Are you one of them... foreigners?
Cleanworks
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don't you mean a furriner?
Lee Stockwell
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John Olson" data-source="post: 4456315" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">I just got Magic Wand's catalog, which has the Zipper, so looks like some distributors will have them soon.Last I'll post on this as the truth spoken plainly seems to have left mikeysboard for some reason. Erik can end the bonzer as a threat by making the zipper the number one product in the country in every store. The people online have one or will buy one soon and his available market will be gone. Why Rotovac has stepped up to fill the hole. My advice was to never let there be a hole and it's still my advice and when asked yesterday tomororw and forever it will be to buy a zipper. But I'm one guy in Little ole Utah that has sold zero bonzer a but several zippers and referred even more.
None of that changes the truth though so Chavez or anyone else that wants to twist what I said that's ok read it again it was all the facts no punches no agenda no ass kissing facts.
Now Erik how can I help you Put more zippers into people's hands
dealtimeman
Everyday is Saturday.
Zippers are GREAT!!!!!!
And Chavez thinks he is mighty.
And Chavez thinks he is mighty.
Mikey P
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