Marketing Mutiny?

Ken Snow

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Brian- if I was an unestablished OO I may well consider it. If I was someone like Art, who is well established and booked out and also able to vacation as he chooses I probably would not.

I would probably do all sorts of other things to attract new customers first, like referral rewards, very geo targeted cable tv, lots of PR from various charities I would support through GC donations, free cleaning at churches that agree to post an ad in their bulletin along witrh a sincere thank you from their "preacher". The list would go on as I determined what worked best and I grew my business to 20+ crews.

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dgargan said:
Lisa wrote
"Someone struggling going into a massive loss leader campaign for new business, digging that hole from the get-go with no resources (money or labor) to back them up is a recipe for disaster".


If I remember right don't all of Joe's letter and ad's promote a free room cleaning, free cleaning in 6 months and so forth? They all give something away yet you put down Groupon where you always make some money on every job, and you get a chance to make a new client and upsell for more money. With the 3 letter deal you have a ton of prep work with the letters, costs of stamps, lists, paper, printing and envelopes and your giving away free cleaning with no guarantee of cash on every job. Groupon costs you nothing to send out and there is no work on your part to get it out there. Seems like a no brainer to me. I'm just sayin

David - thanks for bringing this up, because I'll lay out the difference, and hopefully you will find value in it... maybe a few others.

The free room offer is designed as a referral strategy. It is offered to ideally a joint venture list, where you are working with a business that has customers who value and invest in caring for their belongings (a dry cleaner, a carpet retailer, an interior designer). Or to a specific targeted neighborhood with a glowing testimonial from one of the residents - so the referrals are coming through her, so the JV is with her.

The dynamic here is the difference between getting a coupon, and getting a GIFT. It's the difference between someone handing you a 50% off coupon, and someone handing you a Starbucks card enclosed with a note thanking you. The presentation, and the emotional response is different - this is especially the case with the business endorsement strategy.

The free room is coupled with a free carpet audit, which is the presentation (by print, by DVD, or by iPad) that goes through an evaluation process of the entire home, and based on their particular conditions, the recommendations are laid out. That educational process delivers unexpected value because most people have no idea what the steps of the cleaning process are, and why, and how often they should be done.

Members do one of two things - they either have the audit appointments ahead of time, so they have one dedicated person to do the process - or one person does both. The room is cleaned after the audit. No strings attached if that is all they want. It is a gift, plain and simple.

The cleaning event is wrapped with before the cleaning, during the cleaning, and after the cleaning systems to create the best client experience, and to literally make it unlike any other service experience they have had. Most audits lead to having the entire home cleaned, and most joint venture partners receive thank you's from their customers for introducing them to the cleaning company.

It is a formula that has built countless cleaning companies, and many derivatives of the offer are in all formats and delivery means.

>>> but here is the main difference.

I know the Free Room and Carpet Audit offer is the best irresistible offer to make to a prospect for carpet cleaning. The biggest question anyone has, especially women with their homes, is "who can I trust" to come in and do this? Coming to them from a referrer they already have a relationship with, and as a gift, it reduces all of the friction and suspicion immediately.

If it was a 50% off version - it would not work. They would not have the level of reciprocity and appreciation that getting a gift has.

If one of my members wanted to run a "free room" offer in a newspaper ad, on their website, or even in Groupon - I would tell them it's a bad idea. Because there is no control of WHO is going to, or HOW. Coming to them as a "great it's free, I'll take it" would lead to people not wanting the audit, and essentially not caring about cleaning. They would be taking it only because of the price.

As part of a larger referral process, it is a powerful strategy that has build very successful businesses in this industry.

I hope that makes sense David - and again I appreciate you asking what the difference is. It's a positioning difference. A really big positioning difference.

If members do not have a 90%+ additional sales conversion then they are doing something wrong with creating that perfect client experience.

Thanks again David,
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Ken Snow said:
There are literally dozens of options for these types of programs if someone is interested. Every local network tv affiliate, radio group and most print pubs are offering this type of program. I am happily telling them all that I will pass. Great perhaps for someone trying to build a brand like Brian or Richard in his carpet cleaning division but no dice for moi.

You know... whenever I put a rug article out there in any of the local papers, we get a strong response, none of them buying because we ran an ad.

I'm sure you guys write for different media - or do interview spots or tips. I shared my rugs and floods press release with some of our members, and the ones in Texas got on the front page with their rug cleaning due to floods piece.

In face I've been telling some of the snowed in members with carpet cleaning to run some rug campaigns since they can still clean them with the weather. Or hard surfaces. Or commercial buildings.

But you're right about all of the networks doing their own "big deal" offer. It's great for consumers, I just like to do things a little differently and not follow the masses. Plus I guess rugs is specialized enough that you can stand out in other ways.

Lisa
 

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now the cleaners below the red line may be ethical but have not signed the ethical agreement
so please use do diligence before selecting a cleaner below the red line

kind of hard to forget this one

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Holy crap Lisa!

You just put a spin on what you do to make it look beautiful when in fact you are GIVING AWAY A FREE CARPET CLEANING.

What color are your eyes girl? Because it's getting deep in here. :shock:

I cannot believe wha you just wrote.

You communicate awesome! You just communicated that you are a bull shit artist. Wow!
 

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so let me get this right

It's ok to get your foot in the door with a free room offer

and it's not ok to get your foot in the door with a groupon

I guess the groupon thing is too new for old dan kennedy stuff
 

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Burtz said:
so let me get this right

It's ok to get your foot in the door with a free room offer

and it's not ok to get your foot in the door with a groupon

I guess the groupon thing is too new for old dan kennedy stuff


Needs repeating.
 

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Brian R said:
Holy crap Lisa!

You just put a spin on what you do to make it look beautiful when in fact you are GIVING AWAY A FREE CARPET CLEANING.

What color are your eyes girl? Because it's getting deep in here. :shock:

I cannot believe wha you just wrote.

You communicate awesome! You just communicated that you are a bull shit artist. Wow!

:arrow: Harper on Brians computer.

No one has the magic bullit. All of us have our own perspective. All of these concepts work for some of us somewhere, and we are from everywhere.

Is this a king of the hill contest or an idea sharing concept? I vote for the latter and would like to hear from all who choose to take the time to convey what has or has not worked for them. Come on kids, agree to disagree and stop slinging the feeces at each other.
 

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You missed her whole point Brian.
Yes, you're giving away a free room but that leads to a feeling of wanting to give something back.
WHen you buy a coupon you expect to get your coupons value back.

That all said, I never had a good response from the free room offer.
I got a decent response from a $50off offer.

Wagsta offers to promote at no cost, they get paid by the customer, and I get 100% of the money from the gift certificates sold. He is using Facebook.
 

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If anyone wants to pay me $13,000 I will guarantee them 500 new customers at atleast $10.00 a room. That is a much better return than the groupon we have been talking about. Sign a contract and you only have to pay me after each customer
 

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marketing mutiny my ass


just say you want your own room so you can be the main attraction to hawk YOUR wares..
why be coy about it?

gemmie a fcking break.... :roll:


..l.T.A.
 

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Newman said:
Brian R said:
No one has the magic bullit. All of us have our own perspective. All of these concepts work for some of us somewhere, and we are from everywhere.

Is this a king of the hill contest or an idea sharing concept? I vote for the latter and would like to hear from all who choose to take the time to convey what has or has not worked for them. Come on kids, agree to disagree and stop slinging the feeces at each other.

Great post!!

More sincere sharing of what works (or not) and less commenting just to insult and not offer valid advise would elevate this board.

Toning it down would encourage more of the lurkers and newbies to actually participate.
 

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Tone it down meaning not point out bad marketing so snakes like you can sucker newbies in Dave? Isn't that what you really want people not to ask questions. I mean you keep saying personal attacks when none have taken place but it is the easy fall back when your trying to hide the truth
 

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newmans not a lurker he is an active particepant.

Tone it down meaning not point out bad marketing so snakes like you can sucker newbies in Dave? Isn't that what you really want people not to ask questions. I mean you keep saying personal attacks when none have taken place but it is the easy fall back when your trying to hide the truth


Greg,

I can always count on you to prove my point.

Calls me a snake when he is the one full of venum.

(Greg is not my shill to prove my point. He just can't help himself from slinging feces)
 

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venum would be venom guru. I was pointing out that slick people like the prospect green.

It is so tiring watching you try to hawk your system in every post. You are on with groupon, I get it. Do it. Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone who has been around knows your a balless sack and won't. Prove me wrong Dave. Do groupon. Everyone I have asked ran but still want to defend it. Do it Dave. You gonna do it?
 

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Bundy said:
venum would be venom guru. I was pointing out that slick people like the prospect green.

Greg,

You obviously don't know me. I'm not slick or never said or want to be a Guru.

I have cleaners calling me almost every week for free advise.

I just want to help others.



Venum or venom you are still the one that throws feces almost every post.

You must be trying to fulfill some inadequacy or short coming.

Get some therapy or Viagra and come back when you can offer some helpful advise.
 

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really Dave or do you just not like the facts? Is it advice or advise? Are you giving advice or are you advising them? It gets confusing. See Dave I am not a guy like you. I am educated and sit on alot of boards having to do with business, I find it incredible the wild claims people make and have to call them out. I have a projetc for you please point out the unwarranted venom I am throwing and I will show you the factual reason why it is being slung.

My guess is you are just to hindered to accomplish this task.

Good night Dave and I have to let you know, there is a reason why you are going blind. Bad habit you should stop
 

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really Dave or do you just not like the facts? Is it advice or advise? Are you giving advice or are you advising them? It gets confusing. See Dave I am not a guy like you. I am educated and sit on alot of boards having to do with business, I find it incredible the wild claims people make and have to call them out. I have a projetc for you please point out the unwarranted venom I am throwing and I will show you the factual reason why it is being slung.

My guess is you are just to hindered to accomplish this task.

Good night Dave and I have to let you know, there is a reason why you are going blind. Bad habit you should stop

Greg you are a real piece of work.

You have insults in almost every post and yet you seem to be blind to it.

And you call Me out on blindness?
 

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point them out Dave. It is easy to paint with a broad brush. Just because you don't like the content please show me where I do this things not in response
 

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Bundy said:
point them out Dave. It is easy to paint with a broad brush. Just because you don't like the content please show me where I do this things not in response


You have insults in almost every post and yet you seem to be blind to it.


This is turning into The Abbot and Costello's "Who is on first?" routine.

Is there any point to spelling out to Greg what everyone else can plainly see.

-Or we can sit back and chuckle how he can't see it.
 

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avoidance. You must be a democrat


I do not feel the need to apologize for a higher IQ. No one ever told me you have to suffer people of lesser intellect
 

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Dave keeps editing he is so slow we draw stakes in the ground to see his progress. His dog just did teach hima new trick, congrats. Dave is about to speed up to stop. Good luck Dave
 
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Bundy said:
point them out Dave. It is easy to paint with a broad brush. Just because you don't like the content please show me where I do this things not in response

Everyone who has been around knows your a balless sack



Brilliant prose...as only one would expect...out of intelligent comment.
 

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I do love the term Balless sack but please point to me where I am a balless sack and wouldn't stand my grounf Steve. So you don;t believe I would beat you within an inch of your life given the oppurtunity or you think I am wrong in my business sense. There is two roads and what do you believe

I give up all I want is everyone arguing for groupon to do it but you are all balless sacks and won;t


Sorry for being slow I just realized who Steve in Omaha was. Good luck Steve. Good thing Obama is increasing the govment package for alyabouts
 

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dave I have no time for this anymore. You losers can open seasons the newbies now. Keep defending loss of dollars and PM and say you don't. Whatever. You Burtz snail and everyother loser can buy groupon or not give your opinion without a dog in the fight and be cowards for life I dont care I am done with it. I made my point
 

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I do have one comment left in me and it has to do with Steve Snails calling me a balless sack.
the balless sack comment does catch me off guard since I continually post against something that I see may hurt an excited newbie. I think we may have a different meaing when it comes to balless sack because I doubt you have the sack to stand in front of me and say that. It is easy being in nebraska and being a virtual hero but I am guessing you will never have the balls to be at the same mikeyfest as me after that comment. You coming this year? I doubt it. If you were going to you won;t now because you are an internet hero, you don't need to back up your cowardice. I will be there with everyone I called out. How is that balless. Please explain this to me

I will put the challenge out to anyone who doesn't believe I will stand behind my beliefs, I am open to all challenges on any discussion face to face. I am do not hide behind a key board
 

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