Mikey P
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Did I ever tell you about the time Ivan, Fred, Meg, Bawb and I had a giant bottle of tequila in a hotel room in Nashville?
What's going on with Procyon?
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Cleanworks
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I'm sure you can tell us now.
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The Great Oz
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Tide was once the go-to product used in rug cleaning plants. Pallet loads of 80 pound sacks of "P&G Blue." The cleaners relied on the unbuffered alkalinity to drop in contact with acidic soil, plus they used to use a huge volume of rinse water.
Rugs that bled were just "badly made garbage" and no one thought twice about telling the customer that.
Rugs that bled were just "badly made garbage" and no one thought twice about telling the customer that.
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I recently worked on developing a real encap powder. I was able to create a formula with 10% polymer and 90% powder. The problem is that the residue is 90% powder 10% polymer. A phosphate residue does nothing to limit re-soiling after the original cleaning. The good thing about phosphate is that it is readily rinsed away. Essentially I concluded that powdered formulas fulfill the cleaning function of an encapsulate, but do not contribute to the second function of soil resistance. A true encapsulate should do both. We should just called powdered formulas low moisture cleaners. https://blog.aramsco.com/encapsulation-balancing-cleaning-and-soil-resistance
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We just received a call from a cleaner who says he "encaps" with Prochem Dry Slurry. He seems to think if you spray something on a carpet, then brush it in with a Brush Pro, that's "encapping".
I have to work on my store manager's tact. He was less than kind with the guy.
Cleanworks
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Low moisture cleaning with "dry" slurry.We just received a call from a cleaner who says he "encaps" with Prochem Dry Slurry. He seems to think if you spray something on a carpet, then brush it in with a Brush Pro, that's "encapping".
I have to work on my store manager's tact. He was less than kind with the guy.
Nate The Great
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It’s in the name..
Sierra Clean Care
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It’s ok Jim, I pick up new residential, and commercial contracts almost daily, where the ‘other guy’ does EXACTLY the same thing….We just received a call from a cleaner who says he "encaps" with Prochem Dry Slurry. He seems to think if you spray something on a carpet, then brush it in with a Brush Pro, that's "encapping".
I have to work on my store manager's tact. He was less than kind with the guy.
Like shooting fish in a 5 gallon bucket….. with no water in it…
But on the side of a powdered chemspec 90 container it said it dries into a powder residue that could be vacuumed up.
Or it did at one time
So in theory yes it could be a ENCRAP
Regardless any encrap doesn't vacuum out.................ALL BS MARKETING
Or it did at one time
So in theory yes it could be a ENCRAP
Regardless any encrap doesn't vacuum out.................ALL BS MARKETING
Cleanworks
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I use the extreme liquid as a prespray and the plus powder as a rinse. Gives a great 1-2 punch.
What's the difference between powder and liquid? What dilution and rate do you use the powder for rinse?
Cleanworks
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The powder can be used as an extraction rinse at 2 ounces per 10 gallons in a portable or metered through your truck mount. Does a great job removing soils that your prespray has loosened as well as the prespray itself. You can use the powder as a prespray as well but I find it easier to use the liquid as there is less chance of clogging up the hydra-force. Recommended dilution is on the product. Here we have very soft water so I use a little less than recommended. I use it on 90% of my residential. I switch my prespray to Code Red on trashed or commercial but still rinse with plus powder. Procyon should send me a case for free for all my referrals.
Bill Soukoreff
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I’ve never used Procyon as a rinse. For what’s it’s worth, Ivan told me he would only use Extreme. There is an ingredient that only extreme has that makes it a bit better than all the others. Extreme and peroxide is a great combination. That said I haven’t used Procyon for several years, but Ron still does.
hogjowl
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My experience with the powder was it left white residue on overspray.
Cleanworks
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Yes, it will do that, which is why I don't spray it. Only metered through the wand and if I get any on a hard floor, I wipe it up. Not a problem even if it dries. Will wipe up with a damp cloth.
Meter Maid
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Green Dragon and Carpet Details include a bonding agent.
I’ve dried down Green Dragon. Dries to a crystal.
Doesn’t really encapsulated like a polymer, but the crystallization attaches to leftover soil.
I’ve dried down Green Dragon. Dries to a crystal.
Doesn’t really encapsulated like a polymer, but the crystallization attaches to leftover soil.
Mikey P
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You sound shocked...We just received a call from a cleaner who says he "encaps" with Prochem Dry Slurry. He seems to think if you spray something on a carpet, then brush it in with a Brush Pro, that's "encapping".
I have to work on my store manager's tact. He was less than kind with the guy.
Saiger has people using his super duper pre-spray as an encap and he isn't rude to them...
Mikey P
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the world wishes you had a happy pill, believe me.
Meter Maid
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Mikey P
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What, you want him to be even more of a dick?
hogjowl
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Yfp
Jim Pemberton
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You and Dave would like each other.
He's a fine fellow, works hard for me, and since he ran our cleaning company for several years, he knows his stuff.
But he doesn't suffer fools gladly.
In fact, he's happy to call them a fool....or an idiot.
My favorite line I will overhear him saying to someone who screwed something up:
"What's wrong with you?"
Tom Forsythe
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Crystallization comes from some surfactants which dry down nicely and whose residue would naturally stick to soil. I have done several experiments with encapsulation. My conclusion is that the crystallization comes from certain surfactants. Recently, I took our basic formula (which we never cared if it crystalized), added two surfactants (one we had used for over 20 years) and a new solvent and had crystalline residue which would even make Rick happy. The proof, however, is in the cleaning and soil resistance, and not the form of the residue.
hogjowl
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Oh my! 
Cleanworks
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Asian massage parlor will help you with that.
