100% VLM ???

[Kenny Hayes]

You know it's dried to a bone and dyed the carpet You'd have to chop it with an axe just to get it started

 

[they live]

You know it's dried to a bone and dyed the carpet You'd have to chop it with an axe just to get it started

If you are a padder I suppose.

 

[SteamwayPro]

I would rather be a Padder than a SOAKER



VLM crystallizes and leaves NO sticky dirt attracting residue

Residential dries in 1-2 Hours Commercial dries in 30 - 60 minutes

And HUGE PROFITS



What happens to all the prespray detergent dirty water and dirt left behind by SOAKERS



CRICKETS !!! CRICKETS !!! CRICKETS !!!

 

[SteamwayPro]

Nothing but CRICKETS !!!

 

[BIG WOOD]

That just tells me (when you had a machine that looked like a good truckmount) that you didn’t HWE carpet properly
I bet you
-did your wet passes in the triangle pattern
-had a 2 jet wand that was 2-3 flow
-rinsed at maybe 350psi
-didn’t do slow dry passes.
-never changed your blower belts because it was “too hard” to get access
-had your lift set around 11-12

Which made your mind calculate that HWE was terrible method. I understand. That’s why there’s mental facilities for those who were just taught the wrong way. It’s called a class and they teach you the proper way to HWE carpet.

 

[SteamwayPro]

GROUP THINK Members still ignore '' The QUESTION ''

What happens to all that's left behind using HWE


You have a TM and Van sitting outside, blasting away, burning fuel, loaded with equipment that cost you probably $30,000 - $50,000 dollars

With that kind of money the carpet should be dry the minute you drag a wand across it

But NO it still takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if your lucky )

And leaves behind prespray detergent dirty water and dirt


I tell all my customers HWE is how carpets were cleaned in the 90's

VLM with NO residue and 1-2 Hour Residential Dry times is how carpet is cleaned today


I love VLM !!!

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Well, you're lying to them.

 

[Cleanworks]

GROUP THINK Members still ignore '' The QUESTION ''

What happens to all that's left behind using HWE


You have a TM and Van sitting outside, blasting away, burning fuel, loaded with equipment that cost you probably $30,000 - $50,000 dollars

With that kind of money the carpet should be dry the minute you drag a wand across it

But NO it still takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if your lucky )

And leaves behind prespray detergent dirty water and dirt


I tell all my customers HWE is how carpets were cleaned in the 90's

VLM with NO residue and 1-2 Hour Residential Dry times is how carpet is cleaned today


I love VLM !!!

Most of the chemical manufacturers claim their product, when used properly, dries to a powder. Maybe not a hard polymer crystal but a powder anyway. I've tested quite a few products and found that many do. Especially products like Procyon or Carpet Details. You see it building up on your hydro-force or on your quick connects. When you brush it, it's just like dust. I have no problem with carpets re-soiling because of sticky residues. Most of my work is repeat customers. One of my friends has gone 100% VLM and he finds it very slow and tedious. He often wishes he had his truck mount back on certain jobs. VLM certainly has its appeal, especially with the low cost of equipment but truck mounts have the ability to perform quickly and efficiently.

 

[SteamwayPro]

Most of the chemical manufacturers claim their product, when used properly, dries to a powder. Maybe not a hard polymer crystal but a powder anyway. I've tested quite a few products and found that many do. Especially products like Procyon or Carpet Details. You see it building up on your hydro-force or on your quick connects. When you brush it, it's just like dust. I have no problem with carpets re-soiling because of sticky residues. Most of my work is repeat customers. One of my friends has gone 100% VLM and he finds it very slow and tedious. He often wishes he had his truck mount back on certain jobs. VLM certainly has its appeal, especially with the low cost of equipment but truck mounts have the ability to perform quickly and efficiently.

That's what I always thought prespray and detergent dries to a powder

What happens to the dirt that's in the dirty water. Water evaporates and dirt settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder ???

Yes on Residential medium to heavy soil HWE is faster. You can't just blast dirt away with WATER PRESSURE. It can be slow and tedious

I NEVER wished I had my TM back

NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!

 

[SteamwayPro]

Well maybe when I'm crawling around on my knees trying to get Soil Filtration lines out I wish I could just put a wand and flush them out but Soil Filtration was a Pain in the Ass with HWE too but not as much as it is with VLM

That's the only time I wish I had a TM and Wand bad soil filtration along baseboards in the crevice

 

[Cleanworks]

Well maybe when I'm crawling around on my knees trying to get Soil Filtration lines out I wish I could just put a wand and flush them out but Soil Filtration was a Pain in the Ass with HWE too but not as much as it is with VLM

That's the only time I wish I had a TM and Wand bad soil filtration along baseboards in the crevice

The more you try to clean soil filtration, often the worse it gets. There are times when it's best to leave it alone.

 

[Rick J]

This discussion gave me an idea for today's video. Thanks

View: https://youtu.be/-F6MiguGzPU

memories, decades ago, just dipping my toe into VLM.
had a very high end apartment community. high rise, elevators etc.
porty all the way. WHITE , sculptured olefin(of course) berber.

The common halls were polished concrete. When you entered the units you would have thought that on the other side of the door there had been a fire.
All the particulate from the halls filtered under the doors onto the entry tile , and all over the carpet, throughout the units.

It was actually difficult to get it off of the entry tile.

My query to the Excellent Supply people (not sure who, or if Rick)
can I use your stuff as a HWE cleaning agent, to try and prevent wicking of this fine ,almost like toner, particulate which is all throughout the units.?

The response, back then, maybe when Punch was just a twinkle in Rick's eye , was pretty much silence. (wheels turning?)

 

[they live]

GROUP THINK Members still ignore '' The QUESTION ''

What happens to all that's left behind using HWE


You have a TM and Van sitting outside, blasting away, burning fuel, loaded with equipment that cost you probably $30,000 - $50,000 dollars

With that kind of money the carpet should be dry the minute you drag a wand across it

But NO it still takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if your lucky )

And leaves behind prespray detergent dirty water and dirt


I tell all my customers HWE is how carpets were cleaned in the 90's

VLM with NO residue and 1-2 Hour Residential Dry times is how carpet is cleaned today


I love VLM !!!

Padding is so 80s.

Just google best method for cleaning carpet lol.

I felt guilty charging a lot then telling the customer they had finish the job for me.

When will you stop deceiving your customers and change your name?

 

[jessi]

do yall pad vomit

 

[they live]

I used something like this in the 80s.
I doubt these guys have ever seen it.
I worked in schools and this was the go to when we got the vomit call. Just vac it up at the end of the day.
Voban® Absorbent S-16090 - Uline https://share.google/cvSJDjoYJlvjMESyb

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Of course I've seen it. Actually, you could use that and WOP or War ON Pee and do a good job.

 

[SteamwayPro]

OK so the answer to '' The Question '' is ...

Prespray and detergent dry to a powder

Dirty water evaporates and all that dirt in the dirty water settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder

Doesn't seem worth it to me

$30,000 $$$ PLUS for equipment to clean carpet, that takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if the customer is lucky ) and leaves behind dirt and powder in the carpet

TRUTH

But GROUP THINK Members HATE the TRUTH



Just seems like there should be a BETTER, FASTER Drying, and MORE Profitable Way to clean carpet today



I love VLM !!!

 

[BIG WOOD]

The more you try to clean soil filtration, often the worse it gets. There are times when it's best to leave it alone.

Nah. The alkaline prochem restoration and or Harvard's grime release mixed up strong are the two best to remove it

Most of the chemical manufacturers claim their product, when used properly, dries to a powder. Maybe not a hard polymer crystal but a powder anyway. I've tested quite a few products and found that many do. Especially products like Procyon or Carpet Details. You see it building up on your hydro-force or on your quick connects. When you brush it, it's just like dust. I have no problem with carpets re-soiling because of sticky residues. Most of my work is repeat customers. One of my friends has gone 100% VLM and he finds it very slow and tedious. He often wishes he had his truck mount back on certain jobs. VLM certainly has its appeal, especially with the low cost of equipment but truck mounts have the ability to perform quickly and efficiently.

And this is the probably the most accurate response. Because I know you LMC the high rise buildings very frequently (which you should) and I'm aware how often you use your truckmount as well.

But for this debate to keep going around in a circle only because the fake steamwaypro keeps rambling about how buffing is the best and only way it should be cleaned is a joke

 

[SteamwayPro]

Don't use a Buffer

Most of the work is done by a $3000 dollar 14'' CRB and it's worth every penny

Then a OP Machine - TOPS Odyssey or Tankless Vibe

 

[Kenny Hayes]

That would be awesome on a commercial carpet with no pad underneath and mostly no kids crawling around on it. Move to the daycare side, everything changes.

 

[Cleanworks]

Nah. The alkaline prochem restoration and or Harvard's grime release mixed up strong are the two best to remove it

And this is the probably the most accurate response. Because I know you LMC the high rise buildings very frequently (which you should) and I'm aware how often you use your truckmount as well.

But for this debate to keep going around in a circle only because the fake steamwaypro keeps rambling about how buffing is the best and only way it should be cleaned is a joke

We come across filtration lines that won't be touched by anything. 20 year old carpet and you still see the teeth marks of the kicker used to install the carpet. I've used every product and every tool over the last 40 years. Some we can improve and even remove completely but it's going to come back. Unless you can rinse these products out thoroughly, it just adds to the mix. They might not be as bad where you are but here, depending on the location, they are absolutely horrendous.

 

[SteamwayPro]

Most of the chemical manufacturers claim their product, when used properly, dries to a powder. Maybe not a hard polymer crystal but a powder anyway. I've tested quite a few products and found that many do. Especially products like Procyon or Carpet Details. You see it building up on your hydro-force or on your quick connects. When you brush it, it's just like dust. I have no problem with carpets re-soiling because of sticky residues. Most of my work is repeat customers. One of my friends has gone 100% VLM and he finds it very slow and tedious. He often wishes he had his truck mount back on certain jobs. VLM certainly has its appeal, especially with the low cost of equipment but truck mounts have the ability to perform quickly and efficiently.

How does your friend clean Residential carpet using the VLM Method

And what encaps does he use

Just Wondering

 

[BIG WOOD]

We come across filtration lines that won't be touched by anything. 20 year old carpet and you still see the teeth marks of the kicker used to install the carpet. I've used every product and every tool over the last 40 years. Some we can improve and even remove completely but it's going to come back. Unless you can rinse these products out thoroughly, it just adds to the mix. They might not be as bad where you are but here, depending on the location, they are absolutely horrendous.

The marks of the knee kicker isn’t filtration soiling. That’s why it’s not coming out. I think it’s oxidation which might need to be treated with rust remover

 

[they live]

The marks of the knee kicker isn’t filtration soiling. That’s why it’s not coming out. I think it’s oxidation which might need to be treated with rust remover

Ive had wood stain transfer off bottom of doors.
Sally's took care of it.

 

[they live]

Don't use a Buffer

Most of the work is done by a $3000 dollar 14'' CRB and it's worth every penny

Then a OP Machine - TOPS Odyssey or Tankless Vibe




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Buffer works just fine for me. And i can strip vct and put a brush on it to prescribe.
Its way more versatile, cheaper and probably lighter.