Papa John
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The downfall of most portables is not so much the components but the engineering. Or the lack thereof.
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The downfall of most portables is not so much the components but the engineering. Or the lack thereof.
The biggest problem with high performance portables whether in series or parallel is they always seem to want to cram the vac motors in to a much smaller space than is necessary. For a series configuration, I like Larry's setup but it is only good for a short run of 1 1/2 inch hose. It will be very powerful at a length not exceeding 35 ft but you are not going to put 100 ft plus of 2 inch hose on that machine. How about mounting the vac motors on the waste tank. Maybe through a manifold. Eliminate the short hoses connecting the vac motors to the standpipe. Look, I'm not an engineer but when I designed my portable, I built a manifold (box) underneath the waste tank with the 2 inch standpipe welded to it. The 5.7 3-stage 13.5 amp motors are bolted directly to the manifold, eliminating any hoses. Each vacuum has an opening of 1 7/8 inch directly into the manifold, (almost 4 inches) but the other side where the standpipe is welded is only 2 inches. This has the effect of increasing the rpm of both vac motors and lowering the amperage draw. It just about doubles the cfm and increases the lift a little, compared to just one motor by itself. It allows me to run a pumptec m58 1/2 hp pump at 500 psi at 1.5 gpm while only taking 2.74 amps. I have run 150 ft. of 2 inch hose with a 15 ft. 1 1/2 whip on the end and still have more power than a basic 1 cord portable. I may do another project this summer with 8.4 vac motors in parallel. I will try 4 inches into 3 this time and see what the results are. Hard to say if I will have enough power to run the pump without blowing breakers. Oh, by the way, my machine runs on 2 15 amp circuits. I could put a pump out on the other cord without exceeding 15 amps.
The biggest problem with high performance portables whether in series or parallel is they always seem to want to cram the vac motors in to a much smaller space than is necessary. For a series configuration, I like Larry's setup but it is only good for a short run of 1 1/2 inch hose. It will be very powerful at a length not exceeding 35 ft but you are not going to put 100 ft plus of 2 inch hose on that machine. How about mounting the vac motors on the waste tank. Maybe through a manifold. Eliminate the short hoses connecting the vac motors to the standpipe. Look, I'm not an engineer but when I designed my portable, I built a manifold (box) underneath the waste tank with the 2 inch standpipe welded to it. The 5.7 3-stage 13.5 amp motors are bolted directly to the manifold, eliminating any hoses. Each vacuum has an opening of 1 7/8 inch directly into the manifold, (almost 4 inches) but the other side where the standpipe is welded is only 2 inches. This has the effect of increasing the rpm of both vac motors and lowering the amperage draw. It just about doubles the cfm and increases the lift a little, compared to just one motor by itself. It allows me to run a pumptec m58 1/2 hp pump at 500 psi at 1.5 gpm while only taking 2.74 amps. I have run 150 ft. of 2 inch hose with a 15 ft. 1 1/2 whip on the end and still have more power than a basic 1 cord portable. I may do another project this summer with 8.4 vac motors in parallel. I will try 4 inches into 3 this time and see what the results are. Hard to say if I will have enough power to run the pump without blowing breakers. Oh, by the way, my machine runs on 2 15 amp circuits. I could put a pump out on the other cord without exceeding 15 amps.
Vacs mounted upside down under the tank directly to the stacks removes soooo many unnecessary plumbing components that I agree it has the most potential as a solution to mounting bigger vacs in parallel to twin stacks.
It's actually a no-brainer, and I am sure others will COPY Mytee's design in the future because of it's many obvious benefits.
I have to get a closer look at the under tank vac mounts on my new 1005Dx to explore future pimping.
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Gotta give credit where credit is due, as hard as it may be.
That Mytee design brilliance has been in existence for many years--SO reward them and yourself and buy their products and avoid the hassle.
The completion just isn't engineered correctly.
Bought one 2 months ago for this reason.
Far from a perfect with some obvious oversights in classic Mytee fashion, but what machine is?
The Solarus seems to be plumbed directly into the waste tank in parallel. Good design but in my opinion they would be better off going through a manifold into 1 filter assembly. It will allow them to run a more powerful pump at a lower amperage.@Cleanworks The US Products Flood King I believe has the vacuum motors setup on top without hoses and a mesh-like filter to avoid debris from entering them... I even think the Soulus 500 had the vac mounted on the waste tank....
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Each vacuum has an opening of 1 7/8 inch directly into the manifold, (almost 4 inches) but the other side where the standpipe is welded is only 2 inches. This has the effect of increasing the rpm of both vac motors and lowering the amperage draw. It just about doubles the cfm and increases the lift a little, compared to just one motor by itself. It allows me to run a pumptec m58 1/2 hp pump at 500 psi at 1.5 gpm while only taking 2.74 amps. I have run 150 ft. of 2 inch hose with a 15 ft. 1 1/2 whip on the end and still have more power than a basic 1 cord portable.
Pinching down the size of the vac intake. From 4 inches to 2. Like putting your hand over the hose end.What exactly do you attribute the rpm increase to?
Pinching down the size of the vac intake. From 4 inches to 2. Like putting your hand over the hose end.
Pinching down the size of the vac intake. From 4 inches to 2. Like putting your hand over the hose end.
Our power is usually 120v 15 amp. We have very few 20 amp circuits. Only in some new buildings. I have measured the amperage of my vacs when running under load and they are usually at 12 amps. They are rated for 13.5 max. My pump is rated for 5.5 amps but only takes only 2.74 at 500 psi.Using the same pump and vac as you an one 15 amp circuit as opposed to a 20 amp circuit definitely increases the circuit fail rate, enough so that it can't be done regularly, so if you are successfully doing it, then it supports your theory, assuming there are no other differences between US/Canuck power to factor in, which I am unsure of.
But the secret is transfering that power to the wand. That's where the engineering comes in. 140 cfm is probably not enough in a long 2 inch hose, which is why that machine has 1 1/2 inch hose connections.Also, to quote the returning Dan G. from a previous post:
"A Sutorbilt 3M blower running at 2770 RPM:
The Dual 6.6" vacs generate 1250 Airwatts of vacuum or ~ 56% of the #33 blower in Dan's calculations.
- requires 4.7hp
- loaded (wand on carpet) could run as high as 117 CFM at 163 inches of water (12" hg)
- generates 2238 Airwatts of vacuum (0.117354 X 117 X 163 = 2238)."
But the secret is transfering that power to the wand. That's where the engineering comes in. 140 cfm is probably not enough in a long 2 inch hose, which is why that machine has 1 1/2 inch hose connections.
check inside the waste tank. Do you have 1 stack and 1 filter or 2 stacks and filtersBought one 2 months ago for this reason.
Far from a perfect with some obvious oversights in classic Mytee fashion, but what machine is?
check inside the waste tank. Do you have 1 stack and 1 filter or 2 stacks and filters